CNBC exclusive: French President Emmanuel Macron on AI, geopolitics and the economy - Zweisprachige Untertitel
This morning, I am live in Paris.
Text CEOs from around the world are standing here on France this week, including of the biggest players in artificial intelligence.
And have an opportunity to sit down for a half hour interview with the French president, Emmanuel Macron, in an exclusive conversation.
At the Lisei technology, of course, has been a big focus for this president.
president since he took office seven years ago and we spoke about that and what he thinks
is driving innovation for artificial intelligence and the role of France and how the balance the issues of AI with jobs, the workforce and inequality.
Take a look.
This is true that a few days ago we hosted in Paris choose France,
a big summit we created seven years ago to attract businesses and investments in tech,
but on the different sectors as well, with 15 billion being invested for this session.
And we have VivaTech.
Big Fair created a few years ago,
which now a huge success, and have all this AI player coming from all the rest of the world.
I do believe that the tech industry is one of the key factors of transformation of our economy.
It provides growth, innovation, growth, It created a lot of opportunities for qualified and unqualified people.
So this is a big source of mobility in our societies.
Unqualified people too.
Yes, both.
If take, for instance, I I very often refer a years ago on Uber at this stage.
but it can provide a lot of job by disrupting existing businesses.
And it provides qualified and unqualified jobs by transforming existing businesses and large gaps and existing large gaps.
So this is why I do believe in this sector,
and I do believe from the very beginning that France should be one of the leaders in Europe.
We're multiplied by 10 internals, the of our ecosystem in tech.
And you take the difference between US and Europe, we are lagging behind.
The growth per capita is half in Europe as it is in the US during the past three decades.
the main driver for such a difference is precisely the lack of innovation and diffusion of this innovation especially in tech sector.
So we have to do much better and this is the case France is leading the tech industry in up,
and we want to multiply partnership with all the different places of this world.
Referring to AI,
we can revert on that,
because is not just a sector,
this is a huge revolution,
and it will completely transform the existing sector,
but it will transform education,
democracy, A of things, and I think our challenge for AI is accelerate, innovate and invest, and
on the other side, regulating at the appropriate scale, meaning the global one.
Okay, let me ask you about this.
The CEO of Mistro, who you know, Arthur Manch, you have called him an example of French genius.
He says the biggest risk of AI is a workplace revolution.
I think this is not just a risk.
AI be a revolution for work, for good and bad.
Good.
It's quite sure now that it will increase productivity.
You know, it was one of the big mysteries of our economy.
Social networks and digitalization of our economy were not always percivable in our data as an increase of productivity.
Clearly, it will be the case with the eye because it will completely transform a lot of jobs.
That may mean a lot of jobs, but I agree with you.
it will push us to shift a lot of qualifications.
This why we have to understand, we have to progressively be aware of that and educate our people.
And we have to work very, on the re-qualification of a lot of people.
We to train and re-qualify a lot of people.
That's the big question, you and I speak from experience in a country where robots were less used than in a lot of other places.
In the 1990s, robotization was one of the big revolution of our economies, and we had exactly the same debates.
A lot of people said robots are awful, they will replace jobs.
But Western economies, I mean economies with a certain level of wages, so cost of labor, preserved in the industrial footprint.
We didn't want to have robots in France, we destroyed much more industrial capacity.
So the question is how AI will be at the service of humanity and not just seen as a substitute of humanity,
which is an awful project.
So we have risks,
we have to assess them,
we have to lead innovation,
to be in a situation to regulate inappropriate terms and to say,
okay, I want this AI when it is at the service of humanity, when it increases productivity, when it will be a substitute
to in jobs, but in parallel I have to maximize the number of good jobs in my economy.
This a Let me ask you this.
It's a practical and philosophical question about attracting startups and entrepreneurs to France,
which is to say that I think you want to foster entrepreneurship here in France Historically,
when you think about some of the great entrepreneurs, the folks who started Google or meta, they went on to become billionaires.
And I want to understand the paradox and how you think about the idea of creating people who may become,
you know, people of great wealth in a country that I think has a very complicated view of wealth.
I think wealth is a complicated story everywhere in the world.
It's true that France has a patient for equality,
only much more than others, and we have an existing taxation, but I get rid of the world's tax when I was elected president.
I put in place a flat tax.
This is how we attracted a lot of capitals.
And I do believe that indeed we have to promote success through innovation.
And I think it's very important in our societies to make a clear distinction.
You can have successful people when they perform as artists,
in sport, but as well in business and innovation and it's good, it's good for everybody because they create value for the whole people.
And you have to accept that otherwise,
especially in an economy of talents, as an innovative economy is, you kill your own capacities if you reject this model.
On the other side,
the question is to redistribute at the point of time and to avoid that in 10,
20, 30 years it will be just the children of those who had talents will get the economy, which is a different question.
So it's very true that in a lot of our society, is the level of wealth is more, more, more question.
It is true it was a tradition in France.
We changed that.
I passed very clear reform to transform this approach.
But in parallel, I this is a good global debate.
And think having a wealth tax is a global debate.
with U.S., with Brazil and some others, a global wealth tax, which much more relevant than a French or European one.
Also one, otherwise, the tenants, I just, I don't know if you saw this.
Janet Yellen, the Treasury Secretary, just came out and said that she is against a wealth tax.
This is the Treasury Secretary of the United States.
Did you see that?
This is a pity.
We will have this discussion in G20.
With the Lula and I think this is this is a good global tax as a minimum tax we push in our agenda as a digital tax because
You have to avoid big discrepancies and I think Look,
even in the US society,
more and more people now are a little bit shocked or upset by the level of wealth accumulated in some hand.
It's first that when you are very innovative and successful, you get money and you're paid for that.
And you create big innovation, even more.
But I think this is the right question at the scale of the planet to say, we need this.
I think it's contemporary TV so you just do it, especially for people and tenants as a national scape.
You mentioned artists before in creativity in Cannes, the festival is happening right now.
I know if you saw this news today and it relates to A.I.
so I wanted to ask you, open A.I.
Just said it would no longer use a voice that sounded like Scarlett Johansson, the movie star, because the voice.
voice, and she was upset about that, even though it was done by another actress.
I'm curious,
given your thoughts about creativity,
whether you think AI should be able,
and this is an intellectual property issue and copyright issue,
should be able to use a voice that sounds like somebody else's voice,
even if it's not the same voice, somebody may do this to you one day.
I'm using AI, for instance, to translate a lot of speeches in different languages.
And this is one of the innovations we make with Mr.
Harley-I, as a company you mentioned, without you.
And I think...
In all the big questions we have on the table,
and by the way,
it will be the question we will discuss during the The AI Action Summit we will have in Paris in February 2015.
Intellectual property is one of them.
I believe that we have to protect our artists,
our writers, our I mean, all the different artists from any threat, and we have to protect the intellectual property.
It's very important.
And AI should not be seen as a threat if we create the proper regulation.
So, I do believe that we need in order to do so as well a global regulation.
This is why in this conversation we need both US and China and the big economies and innovators
of this planet precisely to be sure that we protect this IP.
Let me ask you this about big tech though and regulation.
Mistral is now a huge company here in France as a partnership with Microsoft.
A number of the big AI companies are partnering with big tech all over again.
If Microsoft called up Mr.
and said we want to buy you in this day and age, are they such a national champion would you say?
You can do it.
What do you think of big tech getting bigger?
Look, I think it's not automatically a good news, and would prefer them to become independent and to grow on their own.
Because I think M&A is part of the business life, for sure.
But what we looked, especially with a lot of big tech and giants during the past few years, is they had a sort of contour.
innovation, MNA, and of the many on purpose in order just to digest those who were a little
bit more innovative and to be sure that they take their innovation, but these guys don't go further in order to jeopardize them.
I it's good and I think it's even good for the US ecosystem to have a very vivid and an ambitious European ecosystem.
And it's insane to have a world where the big giants just come for China and us.
Do you think we need much more European big players?
And think, Mr.
Ali, I can be one of them.
H with a lot of investment and they decided to look at here,
and the more we will have European players, the the European governments will be in the same discussion as the US and the Chinese government.
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