Joe Rogan: Fear, Love, Chaos, and the Joe Rogan Experience | Lex Fridman Podcast #127

Joe Rogan: Fear, Love, Chaos, and the Joe Rogan Experience | Lex Fridman Podcast #127 - Legendas Bilíngues

The following is a conversation with Joe Rogan that we recorded after my recent appearance at its podcast, the Joe Rogan experience.

Joe has been an inspiration to me and I think to millions of people for just being somebody

who puts love out there in the world.

and being genuinely curious about wild ideas from chimps and psychedelics to quantum mechanics and artificial intelligence.

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🎵 Do you ponder your mortality?

Are you afraid of death?

I do think about it sometimes.

I it does pop into my head sometimes.

Just the fact that I mean I'm 53.

So if everything goes great, I have less than 50 years left.

You if everything goes great.

Like no car accidents.

But it could happen today.

This be your last day, I'm sorry.

That's kind of a stoic thing to meditate on death.

There's a bunch of philosophers, Ernest Becker, and Sheldon Solomon.

They believe that death is at the core of everything, wrote this book, Warm at the Core.

So does that come into play in the way you see the world?

I think having a sense of urgency is very beneficial and understanding that your time is limited can aid you greatly.

I knowing that this is a temporary time that we have finite life spans,

I think there's great power in that because it motivates you, it gets you going.

I think being in a mortal living forever would be one of the most depressing things, particularly if everybody else was dying around you.

And think one of the things that makes life so interesting and fascinating is that it doesn't exist.

you know,

that you really get a brief amount of time here and really by the time you're just starting to kind of figure yourself out who you are and how not to screw things

up so bad.

It's like, time's up.

The ride's over.

What from your like,

from your daughter's perspective, do you think about the world we're in now and what kind of world you're going to leave them?

I do.

Do you worry about it?

I Yeah, I do.

I do when I see these protests and riots and chaos and so much, so much anger in the world today.

And particularly today, I think because of the pandemic and the fact that so many folks are out of work.

and through no fault of their own and can't make ends meet,

and this people feel so helpless and angry, it's a particularly divisive time, it's a particularly turmoil filled time.

and it just doesn't seem like the world even.

It feels very chaotic and dangerous.

And a small thing,

in terms of the possibilities of things that could happen to the world,

like a pandemic, the one we've experienced, it really just doubles the amount of deaths on a bad flu year.

Relatively speaking is a small thing in comparison to Supervolcano eruptions,

asteroid impact, a real horrific pandemic or one that you know really wipes out millions and millions of people.

It's, it's stunning how fragile civility is, it's stunning how fragile our society really is.

that something like this can come along,

some unprecedented thing, unprecedented thing can come along, and all of a sudden everybody's out of work for six months.

And everybody's out of each other's throats.

And then politically everyone's out of each other's throats.

And with the advent of social media and the images that you can see, you know, with the videos of police abuse.

just racial tensions are an all-time high to a where like if you asked me just five or six years ago like our have racial

The country largely been alleviated.

I probably say,

yeah, it's way better than it's ever been before, but now you could argue that it's not now you could argue it's no, it's worse and just a small amount of time it's way worse than

it's ever been during my lifetime while I'm aware of it.

You obviously when I was a young boy in the 60s,

they were still going through the civil rights movement, but now it just seems to seems very fever pitched.

And think a lot of that is because of the pandemic and is because of all the heightened just tension.

The one I liken it to is road rage,

because people have road rage,

not just because they're in their car,

no one can get to them,

but also because you're

because you're driving fast and you know you're driving fast and you know you have

to make split-second movements and so anybody doing something like what up

people go crazy because they're already at an eight because they're in the car

and they're moving very quickly that's what it feels like with today with the

pandemic feels like everybody is already at an eight so anything that comes along

it's like light it all on fire you know burn it down like that's part of what

I think is part of the reason for a lot of the looting and the riots and all the

chaos It's not just the people that are work, but it's also that everyone feels so tense already, and everyone feels so helpless.

And it's like,

you know,

doing something like that makes people,

it just gives you a A whole new motivation for chaos,

a whole new motivation for, for doing destructive things that I've never experienced in my life.

And your better days, when you see a positive future, what do you think is the way out of this chaos of 2020?

Like if you visualize in 2025?

that's a better world than today.

How do we get there and what does that look like?

It's a good question.

I can honestly say I don't know.

And I wouldn't have said, I don't know a year ago, a year ago, I would have said, we're going to be okay.

As much people hate Trump, the economy's doing great, I think we're going to be fine.

That's not how I feel today.

Today, I don't think there's a clear solution politically, because I think if Trump wins, people are going to be furious.

And I think if Biden wins, people are going to be furious, particularly like if things get more woke, you know?

Now, if people continue to...

this force compliance and make people behave a certain way and act a certain way,

which seems to be a part of what this whole woke thing is.

The most disturbing for me is that I see what's going on.

I see there's a lot of losers that have hopped on this and they shove it in people's faces and it doesn't have to make sense.

There was a Black Lives Matter protest that stopped this woman at a restaurant.

They were surrounding her outside a They were forcing her to raise her fist in compliance.

This is a woman who's marched for Black Lives Matter multiple times and the people around her doing this were all white.

It's all weird.

My Coach T, he's a wrestling coach is also on a podcast, my friend Brian Moses.

His on it is that Black, and he's a Black guy, he Black Lives Matter is a white cult.

When see that picture, it's hard to argue that he's got a point.

I mean,

it's clearly not all about that, but there's a lot of people that have jumped on board that are very much like cult members.

Because the thing about Black Lives Matter or any movement is you can't control who joins.

there's no entrance examination.

So you don't go, okay, how do you feel about this?

What's your perceptions on that?

Like, how you like the man who shot the Trump supporter in Portland?

You know, that guy who murdered the Trump supporter and the cop shot him.

That guy was walking around with his hand on his gun, looking for Trump supporters.

Just want a known, violent guy who was walking around looking for Trump's sports foul one and shot one.

That has nothing to do with Black Lives Matter.

He's a white guy.

He another white guy.

It's just, it's just madness, you know, and that kind of madness is, it's disturbing to see it ramp up so quickly.

I Oh,

excuse me,

demonstrations for 101 days now,

101 days in a row of them lighting things on fire, breaking into federal buildings, it's like, whoever saw that coming, nobody saw that coming.

So I don't know what the solution is, and I don't know what it looks like in five years.

So 2025, to your question.

There could be anything.

I we could be looking at Mad Max.

We be looking at the apocalypse.

We could also be looking at an invasion from another country.

We could be looking at a war, like a real hot war.

To put a little bit of responsibility on you.

For me, I've listened to you since the Red Band, all of the Garden Days at the very beginning.

And was something in the way you communicated about the world.

Maybe there was others, but you were the one I was aware of.

as you're open-minded and like loving towards the world, especially as the podcast developed.

Like just demonstrated and lived this kind of just kindness or maybe even like lack of jealousy in your own little profession of comedy.

It was clear that you You didn't succumb to the weaker aspects of human nature and thereby inspire like people like me who I was I was naturally probably especially in like the 20s early 20s

kind of jealous on the success of others and you're really the primary person that taught me to truly celebrate the success of others.

others.

And so by way of question, you kind of have a role in this of making a better 2025.

You have such a big megaphone.

Is there something you think you can do on this podcast with the you talk, the things you discuss that could create a better 2021.

I think if anything, I could help in leading by example, but, you know, that's only going to help the people that are listening.

I don't know what else I can do in terms of like make the world a better place other than express.

Hopes and wishes for that and just try to be as nice as I can to people as often as I

can But I also think that I've fallen into this weird category particularly with the spotify deal where um,

you know, I'm one of them I'm not a regular person anymore.

Now, I'm some famous rich guy.

So go from being a regular person to a famous rich guy that's out of touch,

you And a real issue whenever you're talking about the economy, about just real life problems.

It's interesting, it kind of hurts my heart to hear people say about Elon Musk, he's just a billionaire.

It's an interesting statement.

But I think if you just continue being you and he continued being him,

people, I think people are just voicing their worry that you become some rich guy.

I don't even know if they're doing that.

I think they're just finding the way he describes it an attack vector, right?

Yeah, and I think he's right.

I they just they can dismiss you by just saying.

Oh, you're you're just a that You know, you're you know, you're easily

Definable right but there I mean there's truth today you if you're not careful you can become out of touch

that that's an interesting thing like how why haven't you out of touch like as a human

off the podcast you don't act like you talk to somebody like me you don't talk like a famous

person or you don't you don't act rich like you're better than others there's a certain

listen i've talked to quite a few You have to but I've talked to especially kind of group of people.

They're like Nobel Prize winners Let's say they have sometimes have an heir to them that's of arrogance Yeah, and you don't what's that about?

Well, you got to know what that is right like that air of arrogance from Drinking your own coolage

You start believing that somehow or another, just because you're getting praise from all these people, that you really are something different.

Usually it exemplifies,

there's something there,

where there's a lack of struggle, you And I think struggle is Probably one of the most important balancing tools that a person can have.

And for me, I struggle mentally and I struggle physically.

I struggle mentally in that we're talking about on the podcast we did previously.

You and I on my podcast that I'm not a I'm not a fan of what I do.

I'm a my harshest critic.

So anytime anybody says something bad about me I'm like listen.

I said way worse about myself.

I you know, I don't like anything I'm ruthlessly introspective and I will continue to be that way.

Because that's the only way you could be good as a comedian.

There's no other way.

You can't just think you're awesome and just go out there.

You have to have to be like picking apart everything you do.

But there's a balance to that too.

Cause you have to have enough confidence to go out there and perform.

You think, Oh my God, I suck.

I what I'm doing, but I know what I'm doing because I put in all that work.

And one of the reasons why I put in all that work is I don't like.

Like, I don't like the end result most of the time, so I need to work at it all the time.

And there's physical struggle, which I think balances everything out.

Without physical struggle,

I always make the analogy that the body is in a lot of ways like a battery,

where if you have extra charge,

it's like it leaks out of the top and it becomes And that's how my psyche is,

if I have too much energy, if not, if I'm not exerting myself in a violent way, like explosive way, like wearing myself.

I just don't like the way the world is.

I like the way I interface with the world.

I'm too tense.

I'm too quick to be upset about things.

But I work out hard, and I put in a brutal training session, everything's fine.

Well, the first time I talked to you on Jerry, you were doing October.

So, October, October.

And there's something in your eyes.

I think you've talked about that you exercise the demons out essentially,

so you exercise to get whatever the parts of you that you don't like out.

There's a darkness in you there, like the competitiveness and the focus of that person.

That was a scary time in a lot of ways, that's Hobart-October thing.

My friends were all talking shit right because we're competing against each other and these fitness challenges and you had one point poor like you got a certain amount of points for each minute that you

want 80% of your max heart rate.

And one day I got 1,100 points.

So did seven hours on an elliptical machine watching the bathhouse scene from John Wick, where he murders all those people in the bathhouse.

I watched it probably 50 times in a row.

I went crazy.

But went crazy in a weird way where it brought me back to my fight.

It was like the same, that person came out again.

It like, well, I didn't even know he was in there.

So like there, like, like an assassin, like a killer, like I felt, I felt like.

I felt like a, like a different person.

Is it echoes of like what Mike Tyson talked about essentially?

Like the, maybe, but no orgasms, no, no, no crazy shit that he was saying.

Is there, is there that, is there a violent person in there?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, there's a lot of, there's a lot of violence in me for sure.

I don't know if it's genetic or learned or it's because during my formative years from the time I was 15 till I was 22,

all I did was fight.

That was all I did.

That all I did.

and compete.

That's all I did.

That my whole life.

Is it connected to, so you, your mom and dad broke up early on.

Is connected to...

the dad at all?

I'm sure it's connected to him also because he was violent and it made me feel very scared to be around him.

But I also think it's connected in who he was as a human, is transferred into my DNA.

You I think there's a certain amount of...

I mean, I mean, to be prejudiced against myself, I look like a violent person.

You know, if I didn't know me, I'm just even the way I'm built.

And not even just the working out, but I just the size of my hands.

And there's the width of my shoulders.

Like, there's most likely a lot of violence in my history, in my past, in my ancestry.

And I think we minimize that with people.

So much of your behavior,

like when I see my daughter,

one daughter that's obsessive,

in terms of like, at things like a cheat and she'll practice things all day long and it's 100% my personality.

She's me in female form,

but without the anger as much and without the fear,

she has a household and everything like that,

but she has this intense obsession with doing things and doing things really well and getting

better with the point we have to tell her stop.

Stop doing handsprings in the house.

Stop, stop, come on, just sit down, have dinner.

Like more, one more.

Like just like, she's psycho.

And I think there's a lot of behavior, and personality, and a lot of these things are passed down through genetics.

We really know, right?

We don't know how much of who you are genetically is learned behavior, you know, nature or nurture.

We don't know if it's learned behavior or whether or it's something that's intrinsically of, you know, who your parents were.

I think there's, there's certainly some genetic violence in me.

And then you channeled it.

You figured out is basically your life is a productive exploration of how to channel that.

Yes.

Try how to figure out how to get, get that monkey to sit down and calm down.

There's another person in there.

Like there's a calm, rational, kind, friendly person who just wants to laugh and have fun.

And then there's that dude who comes out when I did sober October.

That guy is scary.

I like that guy.

That just wants to get up in the morning and go.

I mean, when I was competing, it was necessary, but it makes me remember.

I didn't really remember what I used to be like until that.

It's like, when I'm working out seven hours a day and just so obsessed and all I was thinking about was winning.

That's all I was thinking about.

Like, if they were working out five hours a I wanted them to know that I was going

to work out an extra three hours and I was going to get up early and I going to text them all.

Hey, Pussies.

I'm up already.

Take pictures, send selfies.

You're going to die.

Oh, it kept telling them you're all going to die and try to keep up with me.

You're to die.

You weren't fully joking.

No, I wasn't joking at all.

That's what was fucked up.

when I interacted with Goggins and what I saw in you on doing that time is like this guy like Like,

this is why I've been avoiding Diego Ganga's recently,

is like,

because he wants to meet, he wants to do the talk on this podcast, but he also wants to run an ultramarathon with me.

And felt like this is a person if I spend any time in this realm,

if I spend any time with a Joe Rogan of that,

so Like I might have to die to get out like there's this kind of Yeah,

there's a competitive aspect that's super unhealthy I mean you saw the video that we watched earlier today of Goggins draining his knee

That would stop me from running ever again because I would think in my head.

Okay.

I'm gonna ruin my cartilage I'm gonna need a knee replacement.

I would start thinking I would go down that line,

but he is Perpetually in this push it mindset,

you know what he taught calls the dog in him You know he's got that dog is in him all day long and he feeds that dog

You know, and that's That's who he is.

That's one of the reasons why he's so inspirational and he's fuel for millions and millions of people I mean he really is he motivates people in a way that is so powerful

But it can be very destructive.

I just I know I know Especially after the sober October thing that that thing's still in me,

you know,

I didn't know So really haven't done anything physically competitive except one time I was supposed to fight Wesley

Snipes He came out then too that came out too.

That got creepy too,

but luckily that never happened but that was

many months of training like training twice a day every day kickboxing in the morning jiu-jitsu at night

I was just going and going and going and I was just thinking can just all day long.

But it fucks with all the other aspects of your life.

Fucks with your friendships, fucks with your comedy, fucks with everything.

Because that mindset is not a mindset of an artist, it's a mindset of a conqueror, a destroyer.

That's why it's so interesting to see Mike Tyson make the switch.

It's clear that whatever that is, however that fight goes, he us, there's a switch of a div, he stepped into a different dimension.

Roy Jones Jr is coming on my podcast soon.

And you know, Roy going to be on before the fight.

I'm, I'm, I'm so curious to see how it goes down, but genuinely concerned because Mike Tyson is a heavyweight and Roy Jones at his best was 168 pounds.

And I don't know if Roy has that room in his house, mental house of where Mike Tyson goes.

I don't know if he has that room.

Mike doesn't have a room.

He's got an empire in there.

He opens up the He opens up the door.

There's a whole empire in his head and he's in that firmly.

When got out of the weed and started training again, you could see it in him.

And the way, Mean he looks ready to go.

It's crazy.

Yeah watch videos of him.

What about you?

Have you ever considered competing in Jiu Jitsu?

No for that very reason.

I don't want to get obsessed That's my my number one concern.

I a quit video games when we were playing video games the studio.

I had a quit Because I was playing five hours a day like out of nowhere all of a sudden I was playing five hours a

I was coming home late for dinner.

I ending podcast early and jumping on the video games of playing I get obsessed with things and I have to recognize what that is and these competitive things

like Competitive especially like really exciting competitive things like video games.

They're very dangerous for me the ultimate competitive video game is like Jiu-Jitsu

and If I was young I most certainly would have done it if I didn't have like a very clear career path

It was something that I enjoyed my concern would be that I would become a professional Jiu-Jitsu fighter when I was young

And then I would not have the energy to do stand-up and do all the other things that I wound up doing as a career when I was

21 I quit my job teaching I was teaching at Boston University

I was teaching type window there and I I knew and I also had my own school in

Revere I knew I couldn't do it right and also be doing stand-up comedy.

I I couldn't do both of those things.

There was no way.

You have to be cognizant of that obsessive force within you to make sure.

Yes.

I have to know how to manage my mental illness.

That's a very particular mental illness and I think that mental illness.

Again, my formative years from 15 until I was, you know, 21.

those years were spent constantly obsessed with martial arts.

That was my whole day.

I I trained almost every day.

The only time I would not train is if I was either injured or if I was exhausted,

if I needed a day off, but I was obsessed.

That of my personality that I haven't nurtured is always going to be there under the surface.

And when it gets reignited by something, it's very weird, it's a weird feeling.

And it can get reignited with a video game, it can get reignited with anything.

That you know whatever it is that competitive demon yeah the way you talk about

guitar I know you would love fall in love with playing guitar,

but I think you're very wise to not touch that thing so I won't go I have friends who want a golf.

I'm like, mm-hmm.

I fucking with that thing.

So a lot of people ask me about like what's Joe Rogan's jiu-jitsu game like like like

Like assuming that I somehow spend hours rolling with you before and after I mean,

what's a good we should at some point show a technique or something.

That'll be fine.

Sure I mean, I've got what's your game like?

What's your name?

Oh there?

I saw I saw you doing a I think had an arm Something online.

Yeah, I did that was I fucked my neck.

I'm doing head and arm chug that I,

you know,

because you use your neck so much with head and arms chokes,

I develop like a real kink in my neck and turned out I had a bulging desk and you know.

So you do it on that just one side?

Well it was, no, I could do it on the left side but I definitely am better on the right.

right side.

Right side was my best side.

So you were to compete, let's say like, what's your a game?

What you go from standing up?

How would you go to submission?

Would you pull guard?

Would you Well, how would you pass that pass guard what's I don't have good takedowns.

I was not a good wrestler.

So I would most likely either pull guard or I would pull half guard.

Do you have a good guard?

Are you comfortable being on your butt on your back?

Yes, I'm very flexible.

So my rubber guard is pretty good.

Yeah, I have good arm bars and good triangles off my back.

But I also have a very good half guard, but my top game is I have a very strong top game.

Do you have a half guard?

Do have a preference of like what kind of guard and how to pass that guard and like,

yeah, like is there a specific game plan?

Like double underhooks from half guard is the game plan.

For me,

if I can get double underhooks from half guard, I could sweep a lot of the underhooks of what, sorry, the arms are the legs.

So lock down, right?

Half going to lock down,

double underhooks,

clinch the body,

suck the body and tie it,

and get massive pressure,

and then inch my way into a position,

we call the dog fight, inch my way into a position where I could get the person on their back.

Yeah, that's what, because you did show me, I stood this way.

I think that you can choke somebody that's so wrong.

Well, it's not wrong with you.

It's wrong because you know, I think there's a system where I have this thing with Donna and how we're going to figure it out.

Okay, but.

Let's have a little Velcro on the back.

No, let's see.

That's, you're just not the key.

You're cheating.

You're not, you're the exactest cheat.

Yeah, I did feel when you showed me, I think you showed me the rubber guard because it's

still a guard that's a little bit foreign to me.

I just felt that you can immediately feel not with the rubber guard just but the way you move your body is.

You're like a shanji type of guy who knows how to control another human being.

So like some people are a little bit more,

I would say agile and technically like playful and kind of loose and they work on transition, transition, transition, you're a control guy.

Like you know how to control position and advanced position.

Donahar is the same way.

He's all about control.

My game is smush.

Smush.

That's my game.

Smush you.

I love Grab a hold of you.

Once I have you, why would I let you go?

That's my thought is like why would I let you go?

I want to incrementally move to a better position until I can strangle you.

But I'm much more into strangling people than anything else.

Yeah, which is a great MMA approach for jujitsu.

Well, too many people don't tap when you get their arms.

And it's not I'm not opposed to arm bars.

I arm bars, but everybody goes to sleep.

and quit from pressure too.

I quit it's nothing like that.

I breathe.

If you got a guy who's a really good top game guy,

and he mounts you,

and I'm a big fan of mounting with my legs crossed,

like a guard,

And so I can squeeze with both legs,

smush, and I'm just looking for people to make mistakes and slowly incrementally bettering my position until I can get something locked up.

I love Jiu Jitsu though, man.

I wish it didn't injure you.

Jiu is like, if you're joints were more durable, they can figure out a way to make joints more durable.

God, Jiu Jitsu forever, so much fun.

I actually, I talked to this roboticist, this Ross Tedricky builds, it's one of the world-class people that builds human robots.

of dynamics keep people in that kind of robotics.

So I asked them the stupidest question of like, how far are we from having a robot be a UFC champion?

And it's actually a really, really tough problem.

It's the same.

thing that makes somebody like Daniel Cormier like on the wrestling side

special because you have to understand the movement of the human body in ways that so difficult to teach.

It's so subtle.

The timing, the pressure points, the all those kinds of things.

That's just for the clinch situation and then the movement for the striking

It's very difficult as long as you're not allowed as a robot to like use your natural abilities of

Having a lot more power right a lot more power and more durable right the human body like especially

Maniscus like you like you see the heel hook game like everybody's involved leg locks the heel hook

All those guys wind up with torched knees.

Everyone's got torched knees.

Everyone's knees are torn apart And you don't grow new meniscus,

you know,

that's like one of those joints where man when it goes This is those guys are 28 years old of blown out knees

Let me ask the ridiculous question.

What do you think we're talking about cops?

What you think is the best martial arts self-defense?

For sure jiu-jitsu.

Yeah for wrestling.

I think grappling.

I say what judo as well I'm especially in a cold climate if you get someone who's got like a heavy winter jacket on my god like judo is an

Incredible plus concrete Does the worst place to be with a heavy winter jacket with a judo specialist?

and you're standing up with them.

Oh my god.

But I think grappling because in most self-defense situations it usually winds up with grappling.

You're definitely better off though knowing some striking because there's nothing

more terrifying than when you go to take someone down they actually have takedown skills.

And so they have takedown defense and they know how to fight and then you don't know how to stand up

Like the worst thing in the world seeing someone like reaching who doesn't know how to do striking and someone cracks you

What about all that crop my God talk which is like

You know the whole line of argument that says that jiu-jitsu and wrestling and all these sports

They fundamentally take you away from the nature of violence.

So they're just teaching you how to play versus the reality of violence that is involved in a self-defense situation that is a

totally different set of skills would be needed.

In general,

the people that say that Jujitsu or other martial arts It's more of a sport and they don't really understand violence in general the people that say that suck

Yeah, that's anybody who thinks like someone's like, you know, hey, man.

I'll just bite you Mike.

Are you gonna bite me?

Okay Do you think I'm gonna bite you too?

What you think of that?

What if I punch you in your fucking face?

Do you think you're still gonna bite me when you can't even see?

When you barely even know you're alive and I choke you unconscious?

If someone's really good at jujitsu, good luck stabbing them with your keys.

You know, you don't have a chance.

You don't have a chance.

If someone's much better,

you and they trip you and get you on your back

and then they fucking elbow you in your face and then get a head and arm choke on you.

Oh gosh, it's out the window, son.

You're way better off learning what works on trained killers.

Like this whole idea that you're going to poke someone in the eye and then you're going to kick them in the nuts and like you're you're going through these drills that Yeah,

it's good to know what to do if you run into someone who doesn't know how to fight It's way better to know what to do to someone who knows how to fight

That's the best thing learn how to fight against people who know how to fight

Like all that practice self-defense and they got it kind of come at you with a knife

You're gonna grab the wrist and do that like it's good to know self-defense but But much more important to understand martial arts comprehensively.

When you understand martial arts comprehensively,

like there's no crop,

since there's no crop my guy guys,

but it would be shocking if a crop McGaugh guy and a mixed martial arts guy had a fight and the mixed martial arts guy was a trained killer all around,

didn't fuck that guy up.

That's what I would expect would happen.

I not think that some guy who has a little bit of this

and a little bit of that and prepares for the streets

is gonna be able to handle a who trains with killers on a day-to-day basis,

who rolls with Jiu Jitsu black belts, who trains with Muay Thai champions.

Like, it's...

The best martial arts, the martial arts that work on martial artists, not the martial arts that work on untrained people.

What about, we're in Texas now.

What about guns?

Well, that's the best martial art.

Now, but would you, like, in this crazy town?

time.

Should people carry guns?

It's not a bad idea to have a gun because if you need a gun, you have a gun.

And if you don't need a gun, if you're a person with self control, you're not going to use it.

You're not going to just randomly use it, but you have something to protect you.

This is the whole idea of the Second Amendment.

The whole idea of the Second Amendment gets distorted by mass shootings or by terrible people who murder people.

But all those things are real, but they don't take away from the fundamental efficacy of having a firearm and defending your family.

and there are real live situations where people have had firearms and it's protected them or their loved ones or they've stopped shooters.

There's many of these stories but people don't like those stories because then it tends to lead to this gun culture argument,

this pro-gun culture argument that people find very uncomfortable.

It's human beings are And we're messy in so many different ways, right?

We're emotionally, we're messy physically, but we're also messy in what's good or bad.

We want things to be binary.

We things to be right or wrong, you know, one or zero.

And they're not.

But there is crime in the world,

and there is violence in the world,

and you're better off knowing how to fight, and you're better off knowing how to defend yourself, and you're better off having a gun.

I think that guns, I do like the idea that guns, Second Amendment helps protect the First Amendment.

There's a kind of sense that puts me at ease,

knowing that so many people in this I mean, Alex Jones, I just listened to one episode of Infowars for the first time.

Boy, he reminds me like when I drank some tequila, I felt like I'm going to some dark places today.

That's how I feel like listening to him.

But he talks about like that it's, he worries about martial law.

So, basically government overreach by which happened throughout history, like there's something

to worry about there,

but it puts me at ease knowing that so much of the population has guns that people,

government would think twice before instituting martial law on cities.

But I actually was asking almost like on the individual level.

Maybe you shouldn't say this,

but I don't yet own a gun and I felt that if I carry a gun Statistically just for me as a human knowing my psychology.

I feel like I'm more likely to die Like I feel like I would put myself in situations that I shouldn't like way I I will see the world will change

because my natural feeling is like when somebody when I was in Philly,

and I knew late at night,

it was Philly, when some guy looks at you, and you can immediately calculate that this is a dangerous human being.

It starts with a monkey look at first.

Like, I'm a bigger monkey.

And that's where I found,

like, for example, I'll do the beta thing of just looking down and turning away and just getting out of trouble, like, very politely.

And that kind of approach,

because if you have,

in terms of getting out of serious violent situations,

like, serious something where you could die, versus is, if I had a gun, I like I would want to be, that that would be that cowboy monkey

thing where I would want to put myself in situations where I'm a little bit of a savior, even of myself, and almost crazy.

danger which can no long like the escalation of which I can no longer control.

Well you're talking about taking a gun somewhere versus having a gun in your home.

Yes yes I mean carrying on me.

That's a different situation and much harder to get a warrant or a you know, control concealed carry licenses, especially in Massachusetts.

They come easy.

A little message.

Yeah, that's a whole nother thing.

Yeah.

You're saying, gun in the home.

Yeah, gun in the home.

Having a gun,

knowing how to use a gun,

like, I know how to use a gun, I've trained, you know, many hours learning how to shoot a gun at tactical places, you know, there's

a bunch of videos of me doing it on Instagram.

I and I think it's good to understand how to be accurate.

So I've been a fan of your podcast for a long time.

You don't often talk about it because you're always kind of looking forward

but if you look at the old studio they just left is there some epic memories that

stand out to you that you like you almost look back I can't believe this happened.

Oh yeah almost too many of them to count.

Yeah, all of them Elon Musk blowing that flamethrower in the middle of the hallway I got a video of that.

Have you seen the video of it?

Yeah, I think you on Instagram.

I think I did too.

Yeah He's a mad man.

I'm having Bernie Sanders in there,

you know,

just all the fun fight companions We did and all the crazy podcast with Joey Diaz and Duncan Trussell and there was so many there were so many moments,

you know Artform and it almost seems like sounds silly,

but it almost seems like something that chose me rather than I chose it I think of that all the time in some strange way.

It's like I'm showing up as like an antenna And I just plug in and twist twist on and then I take

in The thing and I put it together and I'm a like a passenger of this weird ride.

Yeah, you talked about this before I really like this idea of that human beings are just carriers of these ideas.

Ideas are the ones who are breeding.

Yeah.

So a sense, like the idea found you as a useful brain to use the spread itself through the podcasting medium.

Yeah.

It's that's on the, but because when I think about your podcast, I think about your ideas.

I about all those comedians you've had,

I mean,

maybe close to 50 times,

some crazy number, is there, I mean, he is over the top offensive just that's who he is to the core.

Or is there some sense where you, you wandered like this?

like whether it's right to have the Spotify episode number one with Duncan Dressel.

Well, I wanted to do it that way.

That's why we word NASA suits and we got high as fuck.

It's like, that's the whole idea behind it.

I mean, can you introspect that a little bit?

Like, what is that?

Because that's rare.

It's such a rare thing to do because you're not supposed to talk to Don Contrussle with a huge platform that you have five hours.

Why not?

Because Donald Trump apparently watches your pockets.

So it's just the idea that there's ease.

I that's what I think about these CEOs right to me that they listen to the podcast that I do.

And I have somebody like a David Faver.

And I was nervous about it.

I was nervous to have a conversation.

For me, David Faver is a Don Contrussle, which is like...

Just because of his experiences with UFOs.

Yeah.

Even the way he sees the world.

I don't know if always like this,

but opened himself to the possibility of unconventional ideas most people in the scientific community kind of say well I don't really want to believe anything that doesn't have a lot of hard evidence right and

so that was to me like a step And as the thing somehow becomes more popular,

then it becomes this fear of like, well, should I talk to this person or not?

And I mean, you're an inspiration in saying like, do whatever the hell you want.

You have to.

First of all, I have what you call fuck you money.

And if you have fuck you money, you don't say fuck you.

What's the point of having the fuck you money?

You're wasting it.

like you're wasting the position like someone said to me like why do you like sports cars so much like how many cars do you have a bunch of cars because if I was a kid

and I said hey if I was that crazy rich famous guy like I don't want to have a bunch of cool fucking cars like so I so I would do that.

That not everybody gets to do that like if you're the person that gets to do that you're kind of supposed to do it

Like that's if you if you want to if that really does speak to you and you know

I've talked to you about this before muscle car cars, specifically ones from the 1960s and the early 70s.

They speak to me in some weird way, man.

I could just stare at them.

Like I have a 65 Corvette.

I walk around it sometimes at night when no one's around.

What's your favorite muscle car?

Like what's your most badass late 60s?

Probably that car.

Probably that 65 Corvette.

Yeah, I walk around it when no one's around.

I think I'm during the 69 Corvette.

that just 65 is generation two 69 is generation three 69 is like the it's even

more curvy they're both awesome just awesome in different ways but I just love muscle cars for whatever reason but but the point is like,

I like what I like.

And I can do what I want to do, I should do what I want to do.

And it's not hurting anybody.

And thing is like, I would do the Duncan podcast if no one was listening, right?

If it was,

if we were just starting to do a podcast together and no one cared and it got like 2,000 views,

which we did for years,

I would do a Duncan and we would get high and we'd talk crazy shit about aliens and spaceships and maybe do,

maybe I life forms and they're inside your head and that's how things get me.

Man.

I've just kind of morphed me and him together in that because the life form,

ideal life form idea is mine that I've really think about a lot.

I think about a technical side by the way.

Like when I heard you say that because I've been thinking, I was like, whoa, Oh, that's interesting, that there's two.

They might be alive because I don't know what the fuck they are,

but when someone has an idea for,

you know,

whatever, an invention, a toaster,

and then they think about this,

all they need is like these heating elements in the spring,

and then it pops and it's done, so I have a timer, and then they build this thing.

Now, all of a it's alive.

It's like you manifested it in a physical form.

Toaster's not the best example, but a car, an airplane, you're thinking about a thing, like an idea comes into your head.

And you can say, oh, well, it's just creativity.

It's a part of being a person.

It's how we invented tools and how, you know, we became better hunters.

All those things are true.

It's so.

I'm not saying that there's some magic to what I'm saying,

but there's also a that we're simplifying something by saying that it's just creativity, that it's just a natural human inclination to invent things.

But why?

Is it possible that ideas like creativity like we are the only animal other than there's a

few species that create things like bees make beehives and but it's very the very uniform you know some

animals use tools you know like you know champs will use like sticks to get termites and things like

that but there's something about what we do.

That's it makes you wonder cuz we look at the skid just look at this room that we're in look at all these electronics

Look at all this crazy shit that human beings have invented and then built upon others inventions and proved and innovated

These all came out of ideas like the the It germinates in someone's head, it bounces around, they write it down, they it with others.

The other people who have similar ideas or ideas that are complementary, they work together, and change the world.

And the new thing in that is the idea is not the people.

It's like we think we found the ideas, but it's more like the ideas.

The ideas.

Yeah, they're literally in the in the air.

Yeah.

They to you.

I felt like that with bits Like when I come up with a

bit That's why I'm I'm always telling people at the Steven Pressfield book the war of art because he talks about

respecting the muse and the idea that

your ideas come when you sit down and you do the work or you sit down like a professional and you

you talk to the muse like come tell me what to do like if the muse was a real thing as if it

muses like a some mystical creature that comes and delivers you ideas.

Even if that's not real, that's how it works.

It does work like that.

If do treat it like it's a muse and you treat it with the respect and you treat it like a professional,

the ideas do come to you.

I thought about what he's doing is just sitting there waiting for the idea that's trying to breed to find him.

Yeah, that's a trippy thing.

If you show up and put in the time and focus your energy on that,

They will arrive

They will arrive and that's the same with writing comedy

I've just been many many times where I'll come home from the commie store had just sit down and I start

And I just I've got nothing there.

I'm just writing.

It's all bullshit.

It's nothing's good.

It's just like hmm And then all of a sudden bam

there's the idea and then also I can't stop and then you know a couple hours later

and I'm like whoa and then the next night I'm onstage and I'm like how about that boom it's

this big laugh I'm like holy shit and I know that came out of the discipline to sit down I mean,

the cool thing is the ideas have found you to like, oh, I'm going to use this dude.

Like he seems to have a podcast that's popular, I'm going to breed inside his brain and spread it to others.

Yeah.

It's same.

Or an inventor.

You know, I'm going to use this guy who's like desperately seeking some sort of a product to bring to market.

Some guy who wants to invent things is thinking about inventing things all the time.

Like these ideas, the weasel their way into your head.

And it seems to me also that you're the frequency that your mind operates under has to be correct.

Because one of the things about creativity seems to be if you think about yourself a lot,

if you're really into yourself, or your image, or your selfish, those ideas are not, they don't find you.

That's funny.

Yes, yes, it stifles the opportunity that the idea has for defining yes, which is one of the reasons why joke thieves people that steal jokes are terrible writers.

There's never like really good writers who are also joke thieves.

It's just joke thieves and then you know when they have to write on their own if they get exposed they become terrible comedians.

They were a shadow of what they were when they were stealing other people's ideas because the thing that would make you steal a person's idea is that ego part.

They're like the wanting to claim it for yourself,

the wanting to be the man,

or the woman, you you want to be the person who gets out there and says it and everybody's going to love me for it.

Like you can't think like that and be creative.

It requires a humility and it requires a detachment from self in order to create.

Like I'm writing, I'm blind.

just staring.

I'm I'm just the part of my mind that's active is not like me.

It's like this weird core function part where I'm not, I'm not aware of my personality.

I'm not aware of any of that.

I'm just trying to put it together in a way that I know works.

Just being there being present as the field is just I'm a big believer just sitting there even staring at a blank

page You have to putting in the time.

Yeah, and sometimes it's not that way.

Sometimes it's an inspiration Like sometimes I'll be sitting there at dinner.

I'll be like I got an idea and all my wife's really cool about that I'm like I have an idea and I blah I have to just run out of the room real quick

And I write it down on my phone and then I can come back

You know because those are those are like little gifts that you get sometimes from the universe out of nowhere

And some people rely only on those gifts

You know and I've talked to comics about it like I can't come my best ideas when I don't write and I'm like no

I do too.

I come up with great ideas when I don't write, but I also write.

Like you can do both of those things.

They're not mutually exclusive.

You mentioned fuck you money.

I I feel like I have fuck you money now a year ago.

I at zero.

I fuck you money now because probably my standards my I don't need much in this world

But because also probably because of you

But it's 300 to 400,000 people isn't every episode I do and it's a lot and that was it's weird

That's a successful television show on cable.

Yeah, it's crazy It's all you

But at this point that also a few money in a sense that I don't, yeah, I don't need anything else in this world.

But so,

by way of asking,

I've looked up, you've inspired me for a long time, do you have advice, you've done this on the podcast side of life?

Do you have advice for somebody like me and somebody like me going on this journey?

Eric Weinstein is going on this journey.

Is there advice both small and big that you have for somebody like me?

The advice is to keep doing what feels right to you and do what you're doing obviously it's resonating with people if you're getting that big of an audience and i've listened to your podcast you're

very good at it so.

Just keep doing it the way you're doing it don't let anybody else get involved what about you connect i think you met jamie at the comedy store.

I'm at the ice out.

I think I met him at the Comedy Store, but we talked at the ice house.

I what?

You'd have to ask him.

Yeah, did you think deeply about, because like, you know, you basically have nobody on your team.

And so it almost feels like a marriage where you're selective about like, somebody to somebody to bring into your life.

Well, Jamie's exceptional.

He is.

He's a special.

I mean, he might have grown.

I don't remember how he was in the early days,

maybe you could say, but he was definitely better at it, but he right away, he's exceptional.

He's got very little ego.

Yes.

He's not a guy who needs a lot of attention.

He's not a guy who overestimates.

anything, like in terms of negative or positive, like his interpretation of whether it's good

things that happen to the show or bad things that happen to the he just takes it all like flat.

He's chill, he's just cool as fuck and he's so smart and he's so good as an audio engineer and as a podcast producer.

He's basically one of the only people on this whole team.

Yeah.

How do you find, I mean, when you let people in, I mean, I'm other people want to get involved.

Like, why don't you have a co-host?

You basically kind of, well.

Well, here's the problem with a co-host.

Like when you and I are talking.

When we're talking,

I'm tuned in to you,

and I'm waiting to hear what you're saying,

and I'm listening,

and I'm interpreting it,

and then I'm calculating whether or not I have anything to say,

whether to let you keep talking,

whether maybe have a question that lets you expand further,

or whether I have a disagreement,

or like there's,

That's going on now when there's another person there chime in to it fucks the dance

up It's like dancing like have you doing a dance with someone?

You know like if you're slow dancing with someone and then a third person's there step it on your feet Sometimes it's fun.

Yeah, sometimes having a third person is fun comedy podcast.

Sometimes it's fun debate kind of structured.

Yeah, debate structures, but even then it gets difficult because people talk over each other and also I find that without headphones, it's way easier to talk over each other, it makes mistakes.

You don't hear it the same way.

When you have headphones,

I hear what you hear, it's all one sound and the audience hears exactly, or rather I hear exactly what the audience hears.

Over here, my voice is louder than yours because you're over there and if I don't have headphones on, it's not together.

On that point, one of the interesting things about your show is...

You don't almost never have done and you generally don't do remote like and I'm sorry not remote

calls But you don't go to another person's location like

You have only done a few of a small handful and then just like I will the Sapolsky he should be

yeah He should do this,

but I actually we went back and forth on email I told him he used to get your his ass back in in this in the studio.

He's working on a book I was a of his a long time ago because I became obsessed with toxoplasmosis

you know and I

I've reached out to him a long time ago before he was willing to do it

But then I caught him in downtown LA he was there for something else and I Greetily snatched up an hour of his time.

Well, he doesn't get I think some of those folks don't get how much magic can happen in this podcast studio Like bigger than anything they've ever done in terms of their work not I'm not

talking about reach But in terms of the discovery of new ideas.

There's something magical about conversation like that Like somebody as brilliant as him,

if he gives himself over to the conversation for multiple hours at a time, that's another place where you've been an inspiration.

Where like,

you know,

I'm getting more and more confident of telling people,

like like, you know, a lot of CEOs are like, well, he has 30 minutes on a schedule.

I'm like, no, three hours.

And then they're like, so some say, no, and then they come back.

Those have started coming back to like, okay, we're starting to get it.

They start to get it.

And you're a rare beacon of hope in that sense that there is some value in long form.

They think that nobody wants to listen for 30 for more than 30 minutes.

That they think like I have nothing to say.

But the reality is if you just give yourself over to like the three hours,

just let it go three hours, four hours, whatever it is, there's so much to discover about what you didn't even know you.

Yeah, you have to be confident that you could do it, and in the beginning, I just did it

because that's what I wanted to do, and no one was listening.

So I've always been a curious person,

so I've always been interested in and listening to how people think about things and how and talking to people about their

mindset and just expanding on my own ideas and just talking shit.

So we would have these podcasts and they would go on forever.

And friend Ari, I never let him die.

I've let him forget this he was always like you have to edit your podcast.

I'm telling you right now.

You're fucking up I go why?

He's like because people are not gonna listen to it.

I go they don't have to Yeah, I go you listen to part of it He goes just do it.

Just I'm telling you trust me cut it down like 45 minutes.

It's all you need and I'm like no No, I don't think you're right.

I listening to long-form things.

No one has that kind of time I guess I'm gonna do it.

I'm just gonna keep doing it this way.

So and it's a good.

No, he he doesn't.

He doesn't.

He's like two and a half hours long now.

That's great.

You won.

But you wouldn't like to say, I mentioned to you this before, this is gonna happen.

It's actually made a lot of progress towards it.

I'm talk to Putin.

But you wouldn't travel to Putin if you want to talk to you.

Putin is a dangerous character.

He's not.

You're talking to...

Have you ever the thing with Jerry Craft, where he stole his Super Bowl ring?

Yeah.

Yeah, I think that was a little bit of misunderstanding.

Oh, really?

I think it's a bit, he just decided he's gonna steal that Super Bowl ring.

Kind of, I think it was a...

Kind of.

He thought, can I see your ring?

He shows him his ring and then he puts it on and says I can somebody with this ring.

So and then he walks off with it.

It's possible he did it as a, he's a big believer in displays of power.

Yeah.

So like,

it's possible he did that,

but I think he sees himself a tool with which to demonstrate that Russia still belongs on the stage of the big players.

And a lot of actions selected through that lens,

but in terms of a human being,

outside of any of the evils that he may or may not have done,

he is of really thoughtful, intelligent, fun human being, like the wit, and the depth from the JRE perspective is really interesting.

I'm like his manager now selling.

He's a judo guy.

He's really good at judo.

I have seen him practice judo.

He's a legit black belt.

And not only that,

he loves it, not just skill-wise, but to talk about it, to reason about it, to think about it, to MMA as well.

So, yeah, it'd be a good conversation.

But you wouldn't travel to him.

Well, that holds your principle.

So the core of the advice.

I rather...

Here's the thing.

There's not a person that I have to have on the show, and I'm happy to talk to anybody.

I'm just as happy to talk to you as I am to talk to Trump,

as I am probably more happy to talk to you,

as I am to talk to Mike Tyson, as I am to talk to Joey Diaz.

I I like like like like like like talking to as I enjoy doing podcasts.

I talking to a variety of people and I schedule them based on,

I want to like, I try not to get too many right-wing people in a row or too many progressive people in a row.

I don't want to get repetitive.

I try not to get too many fighters in a row.

I to balance it out.

Not too many comedians.

Comedians are the one.

One group, well, I have three, four in a row, five in a row, because that's my tribe.

Those are my people.

It's easy.

We can talk about anything.

It's a weird dance, you know?

The conversations that you're doing on a podcast are a strange dance,

and you want to not step on your own feet,

and you want to make sure that Do it in a way do the podcast in a way that's entertaining for people and it's it's a

Conversations are learning how to talk to me.

It's weird skill Yeah,

it's a skill that took a long time for me to get good at and I didn't know it was a skill until I started doing it And then I just thought you're just talking like

I was just I know how to talk we just talked to people So I like,

oh, and then when you talk to people that are bad at it, you realize that it's a skill.

Like, particularly, one of the about my people, about comedians, is a lot of them tend to want to talk, but don't want to listen.

Right.

So, they're waiting for you to stop talking so they can talk, but they're not necessarily

thinking about what you're saying,

you and they're just waiting for their opportunity or they talk over you or they,

and I try real hard not to do that and sometimes I fail, but I'm at my best, I'm dancing.

Yeah, ultimately, the conversation is just...

just really listening,

like really and listening and thinking,

listening and thinking and being genuinely curious and really having a take on what they're saying and maybe a

-up question or maybe it's got to be real, it's to be authentic.

And it is authentic and it's real,

of people like they're listening and they go oh like I'm locked in with the way you're thinking

like you two guys are in a conversation and I'm locked in you know when she talks and you listen

I'm listening to you know when he says something to her or when she says something to him

like there's a thing that happens during conversations where you're

They're there you're listening to and it's with me when I listen to a good podcast I feel like I'm in the room.

I feel like I'm in the room and I'm like like I'm like the friend that got to sit down and listen I go Yeah,

it's a great conversation.

Yeah, you know, I love conversations So I love listening to them and I love putting them together and

The fact that this podcast has gotten so fucking big, it's stunning to me, it blows me away.

I never anticipated it,

never thought for a second that that stupid thing that I used to do in my couch,

in my office, was the biggest thing I've ever done in my life by far.

People used to make fun of it.

There's a comic store documentary that's coming out in one of the parts of the documentaries.

My friend Tom Segura, when he first started doing my podcast, he would be leaving and he would talk to Redbanny.

He's what the fuck is he doing?

Why is he doing this?

Who's listening?

He's oh, some people like it, and he's like fucking nonsense, waste of time.

the documentary shows like 2000 views, like one of the early use stream episodes.

It's hilarious they don't just like it really.

They form a friendship with you.

It's like even me when people come up to me like the love in their eyes It's kind of beautiful.

It's weird, right?

Yeah, it's like you're part of their life Yeah, and I don't know it's all it's also heartbreaking because you realize you'll never really get to know them back like

because they clearly are friends with you.

Yes, and it's sad to see a person who's clearly brilliant and interesting and is friends with

you, but you don't get a chance to return that love.

My kids,

it took them a while to figure out what's going on,

but people would come up to me and they would say something like, hey man, I love you.

Thanks man.

All right.

Hey, brother.

My daughter was like six.

She'd be like, do you know him?

I'm like, no, I don't know him.

She's like, how does he know you?

Very weird conversation I used to have with young kids when I'd explain I'd do this thing called a podcast and millions of people listen.

So now one of my daughters is 12 and one of her friends is 13.

And a boy and he goes to school with her and he's obsessed with me.

And so she's weirded out and she says to him, I don't even think you like me.

I think you're just into my dad fucking weirdo.

She's going to have that conversation a few stages in her life, like that, that hard conversation with a boyfriend.

Yeah, probably.

Yeah.

That was the thing about men too, this, this podcast, um, Is my podcast is uniquely masculine.

I'm a man and I'm not I'm also a man that doesn't have to go through some sort of a corporate filter.

I'm not going through executive producers who tell me don't have this guest on.

Don't talk about that.

We looked at focus groups and they don't seem to like when you do this.

There's none of that.

I do it.

So I have a whole podcast where I just talk about cars.

And people are like, I wanna hear you talk about cars.

Well, good, congratulations.

You what you like.

Here's good news.

There's 1,500 other ones.

Go listen to the other episodes where I don't talk about cars.

You don't have to listen.

And it's not like your brand.

You don't are who you are.

And that's what you do.

But authentically what I'm interested in.

All the podcasts,

whether talking to David Fraver about his experience with UFOs,

whether I'm talking to David Sinclair about life extension,

whether I'm talking to you It's because I want to talk to these people and that resonates.

I like when people are into shit.

I've talked about this before,

things that I have no interest in making furniture, but like this PBS show where this guy makes furniture by hand.

I love watching it because he's so into it.

He's sending this and polishing that.

I'm not going to do that.

I give a fuck about furniture.

Furniture for me is function, like this desk.

Function works, but I love when people are into it.

I'm happy that someone can make it,

and they do a great job,

but I'm not interested in the task Or even the finished product is as much as I'm interested in someone's passion for something.

The passion that they've put into this, that shines through.

Last question.

I sometimes ask this just for it to challenge.

to make people roll their eyes, to make legitimate scientists roll their eyes, ask, what is the meaning of life?

According to Joe Rogan.

I not think there is a meaning.

I think there's many, many meanings of life.

I think there's a way to navigate life that's enjoyable.

I think it requires many things.

It requires, first of all, requires...

You have to have loved ones, you have to have family, you have to have friends.

You have to have people that care about you and you have to care about them.

I think that is primary.

Then it also requires interests.

There has to be things that stimulate you.

Now, it could be just a subsistence lifestyle.

There's many people that believe and practice.

this lifestyle of just living off the land and hunting and fishing and living in the woods, and they seem incredibly happy.

And something to be said for that.

That is an interest.

There's something and there's a direct connection between their actions and their sustenance.

They get their food that way.

They're connected to nature and it's very satisfying for you.

If you don't have that, I think you need something that is interesting to you, something that you're passionate about.

And there's far too many people that get sucked into living a life where you're just doing a job,

you're just showing up and putting in your time and then going home, but you don't have a passion for what you're doing.

And I think that is, that's the recipe for a boring and very unfulfilling life.

You mentioned love,

if you could just backtrack,

what we talked about, the demons and the violence in there somewhere, what's the role of love in this, in your own life?

It's very much And that's one of the reasons why I'm so, uh, I'm so interested in helping people.

I'm very interested in people feeling good.

I like them to feel good, I want to help them.

I doing things that make them feel like, oh, you care about me, like can I care about you?

I really do, like I want people to feel good.

I want my family to feel good, I my friends to feel good, I want guests to feel good about the podcast experience.

You I am a big believer in as much as I

can to spread positive energy and joy and happiness and relay all the good advice that I've ever gotten.

All the things that I've learned and if they can benefit people

then I find that those things benefit people and that actually improve the quality of their life or improve their success or improve their relationships.

Or I'm very happy to do that.

That means a lot to me.

The way we interact with each other is so important.

It's one of the reasons why I like it.

When someone gets canceled or you get publicly shamed,

it's so devastating because there's all these people that negative,

all this negative energy coming your way and you feel it as much as you like to pretend that you're immune to that kind of stuff and some people do like

to pretend that you feel it.

There's a tangible force when people are upset at you and that's the same with loved ones

or family or any time so

whether it's a giant group of people or there's a small amount of people that has an impact on you

and your psyche and your physical being.

So the more you can spread love and the more love comes back to you, you also create this butterfly effect, right?

Because other people start recognizing like, oh, you know when he...

It's nice to me.

I better and then I'm going to nicer to people and when I'm nicer to people,

they feel better and I feel better and it spreads outward and that's one thing that I've done

through this podcast I think is I've imparted my personal philosophy in kindness and generosity to other people.

Yeah.

I to correct you, you didn't do it.

The ideas that are breeding themselves through your brain have figured the ideas that

are alive in the air that made their way into my head.

Love is a more efficient mechanism of spreading ideas they've figured out.

Yes.

Probably, man.

Probably.

So as far as like,

uh, The meaning of life that's that's a bit without that you have nothing you know one of the big biggest failures in life is to be extremely successful financially but everybody hates you.

Everybody hates you and you just miserable and alone and angry and depressed and sad you know when you you hear about rich famous people that commit suicide wow you missed the mark.

some parts right.

But you put too many eggs in one basket.

You put too many eggs in the financial basket or the success basket or the accomplishment basket and not enough in the friendship and love

basket.

And there's a balance to that.

And when I talked about the violence and all that stuff,

like that to me is me understanding, recognizing, And that is me trying to achieve that balance.

It's still like go kill those demons so that this boat is level You know because if it's not and the boat is like this and then everything's all fucked up and every time we hit

a wave Things fall apart balance that boat out figure it out like know who you are some people don't have that problem at

all Some people they could just go for a walks and they're cool as a cucumber.

I more.

I need kettlebells.

I need a heavy bag.

I need the echo bike, aerosol bike.

I need some hardcore shit.

If I don't get that, I feel good.

So I figured that out too and that makes me a nicer person and that makes my interactions nicer.

it changes the quality of my friendships, my relationships with people.

I think we mentioned Neuralink.

I can certainly guarantee that this is one of the memories I'll be replaying.

20, 30 years from now, once we get the feature ready, Joe, it's huge honor to talk to you.

I hope...

It's an honor to talk to you too, man.

I'm glad you came down here for this.

The week of me doing this here, and it's very cool to have you always.

I hope you make Texas cool again, and your podcast, another 10, 11, whatever, however many years you're still on this earth.

All right.

Thank you, brother.

Appreciate you, man.

Thanks for listening to this conversation with Joe Rogan and thank you to our sponsors, NURO, ACE sleep, and Dollar Shave Club.

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And let me leave you with some words of wisdom from Joe Rogan.

The universe rewards calculated risk and passion.

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